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Subject: SPACE Digest V12 #653
SPACE Digest Volume 12 : Issue 653
Today's Topics:
Re: Powerful telescope for sale
Re: Thanks from "star gazer...maybe"..Bob and 8 year old
Galileo Update - 12/05/90
Space Station Redesign Proposal
Re: NASA Select coverage of Astro mission
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In article <1990Dec10.002506.15082@oracle.com> etileniu@oracle.uucp (Eric Tilenius) writes:
>
> POWERFUL 6" REFLECTING TELESCOPE
> EDMUND SCIENTIFIC NO. 85,086
>
> * FOR SALE *
> * JUST $650! *
>
>This 6" reflecting telescope is wonderful for the serious amateur astronomer.
>It features:
>
> - 6" parabolic mirror polished to within 1/4 wavelength of light
> (that's accurate to within 0.0000055 inches!)
>
Folks, don't let numbers cloud your judgement. 0.0000055 inches = 1375
angstroms, which is ok, but not ideal.
> - Clock drive / tracking motor to keep telescope oriented on
> objects as the Earth turns.
>
> - Will reveal faint stars to nearly 13th magnitude under
> favorable conditions!
Very favorable...not too probable. You have MAYBE one night a year that you can
see 13th with a 6"...but I guess I'm also to guy who questions the integrity of
seeing Stephans Quin. with a 90mm...but let's not start that again.
>
> - 4' mirror housing (this is a big telescope!)
>
Can you explain this in better detail?
> - Can split double stars separated by only .75 seconds of arc!
Under great seeing conditions...not too probable. I really think that this
would be rather difficult with a 1/4 wave mirror...your sky would have to be
ROCK steady...maybe out in space.
>
> - 1" focal length Kellner eyepiece
> - 1/2" and 1/4" focal length Ramsden eyepieces
These two eyepieces are probably the worst eyepieces on the market...
my apologies to Kellner and Ramsden. And who the heck still measures focal
lengths of eyepieces in inches? Well, I guess it's just easier to understand
for all those suckers who will call to buy this scope.
>
> - Mounted Barlow assembly w/ color corrected 2-element Barlow
> lens of 46.6 mm focal length
What does this mean for a potential buyer?
>
> - 6x sighting telescope
What about field of view and size of objective...another way to grab suckers by
only telling them how POWERFUL it is?
>
> - Heavy-duty no-rust pedestal mount and weight mechanisms
How wobbly is it? Can it withstand wind and heavy walking...you can't guide on
a star with your above mentioned clock drive/tracking motor and take a long
exposure photo without the mount being steady. How about polar alignment? Is
that easy to do on this scope or is that unimportant to the sucker?
>
> - PLUS BOOKS on how to use & get the most out of it, and more!
>
This is only good thing about this ad?
>Excellent condition! A beautiful instrument!
>$650 includes everything listed above.
650 is actually a really good price...
>
>You must come and pick it up or arrange for pickup -- too tricky to ship!
Well, I don't know about that...I had mine moved down with me on a greyhound
bus! It's CHEAP!
>Please CALL or EMAIL soon!
>
Eric, I'm not trying to make you loose a good deal on a good scope, but you
have to advertise reality and not just the high limits and possible expectations
about your scope. I encourage anyone to buy this scope...it's a good beginners
instrument and having the books availiable will help a lot. But PLEASE do not
buy this scope for the advertising! I know it's sometimes fun to brag about a
scope and only note its good things, but there's good and bad about everything.
A good salesman will not be afraid to tell you that bad things about a product.
The person who only tells you about the good stuff is trying to rip you off.
Edmund Sci. stuff, i've noticed, is good quality...don't get me wrong. But
bragging about 1/4 wave mirrors should be kind of embarrassing. No flames
intended...i just wanted to let any possible buyer to not reguard this "ad" as
the final decision you should make...look into the instrument and the kinds of
things Eric talked about...make sure it's what you REALLY want. I myself have
only looked through one Edmund Sci. 'scope, a few years ago...and I recall that
I liked it. But i realy hate how people try to find suckers in the crowd to put that amount of money into something that they might regret later.
Buy the scope if you like what you hear in Eric's ad, but my recommendation
would be to explore the ideas of "wave" and Kellners and Ramsdens and Barlows that are color corrected and sighting scopes and telescope drives. Ask me if
nothing else...I'll be happy to try and answer anything you want to ask.
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!orbit!pnet51!schaper@ucsd.edu (S Schaper)
Subject: Space Station Redesign Proposal
A proposal for the U.S./International Space Station:
LLNL as the manned base for both testing biology at various g factors and
for housing the OMV, LMV's and Mars mission(s).
A combination of Columbus, EOS and Freedom parts to produce the man-tended
free-flyer for both materials science and remote observations such as EOS
and ASTRO 1 payloads.
This seems a usable synthesis that we know how to build, and will
achieve the tasks that Freedom was originally intended for.
Cost savings in the LLNL manned portion should make it possible to
re-implement the Manned Orbit Manuevering Vehicle(s).
This should be neither as inexpensive as LLNL proposes, nor as
expensive as Freedom is predicted to be by its' detractors, and should
solve most, if not all, of the problems of both facilities in regards to
performing both as a manned exploration base camp and as a stable, zero-g